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Is china a threat to western civilization?
by Gattaca - Saturday September 2, 2023 at 11:10 AM
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In the last decades we saw China rise as a global economic and political power, driven by the CCP's policies. Do you believe Western countries will adopt China CCP model in the future?

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China has manipulated their market to keep prices low, without the west they would collapse
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#3
China poses a fundamental threat to western democracies and values, their authoritarian system is the antithesis of freedom
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(Sep 09, 2023, 08:36 PM)Eagle Wrote: China poses a fundamental threat to western democracies and values, their authoritarian system is the antithesis of freedom

That seems overly simplistic to me. China has a different history and culture but has modernized rapidly via economic engagement with the West.
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(Sep 09, 2023, 08:58 PM)mega-mind Wrote:
(Sep 09, 2023, 08:36 PM)Eagle Wrote: China poses a fundamental threat to western democracies and values, their authoritarian system is the antithesis of freedom

That seems overly simplistic to me. China has a different history and culture but has modernized rapidly via economic engagement with the West.

True, but economically empowering a repressive regime jeopardizes the spread of human rights and democracy worldwide
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(Sep 09, 2023, 10:17 PM)Eagle Wrote:
(Sep 09, 2023, 08:58 PM)mega-mind Wrote:
(Sep 09, 2023, 08:36 PM)Eagle Wrote: China poses a fundamental threat to western democracies and values, their authoritarian system is the antithesis of freedom

That seems overly simplistic to me. China has a different history and culture but has modernized rapidly via economic engagement with the West.

True, but economically empowering a repressive regime jeopardizes the spread of human rights and democracy worldwide

Perhaps, but change can also come from within as China's middle class grows. Increased prosperity may spur reform over time.
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(Sep 10, 2023, 07:59 AM)mega-mind Wrote:
(Sep 09, 2023, 10:17 PM)Eagle Wrote:
(Sep 09, 2023, 08:58 PM)mega-mind Wrote:
(Sep 09, 2023, 08:36 PM)Eagle Wrote: China poses a fundamental threat to western democracies and values, their authoritarian system is the antithesis of freedom

That seems overly simplistic to me. China has a different history and culture but has modernized rapidly via economic engagement with the West.

True, but economically empowering a repressive regime jeopardizes the spread of human rights and democracy worldwide

Perhaps, but change can also come from within as China's middle class grows. Increased prosperity may spur reform over time.

I'm skeptical of that optimistic projection. China severely restricts internet, dissent and activism, they show no signs of liberalizing. They can't access breachforums for instance.
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(Sep 10, 2023, 03:53 PM)Eagle Wrote:
(Sep 10, 2023, 07:59 AM)mega-mind Wrote:
(Sep 09, 2023, 10:17 PM)Eagle Wrote:
(Sep 09, 2023, 08:58 PM)mega-mind Wrote:
(Sep 09, 2023, 08:36 PM)Eagle Wrote: China poses a fundamental threat to western democracies and values, their authoritarian system is the antithesis of freedom

That seems overly simplistic to me. China has a different history and culture but has modernized rapidly via economic engagement with the West.

True, but economically empowering a repressive regime jeopardizes the spread of human rights and democracy worldwide

Perhaps, but change can also come from within as China's middle class grows. Increased prosperity may spur reform over time.

I'm skeptical of that optimistic projection. China severely restricts internet, dissent and activism, they show no signs of liberalizing. They can't access breachforums for instance.

Their censorship model does look entrenched, unfortunately. For some reason Chinese do seem supportive of their system so far, despite restrictions.
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(Sep 10, 2023, 05:38 PM)mega-mind Wrote:
(Sep 10, 2023, 03:53 PM)Eagle Wrote:
(Sep 10, 2023, 07:59 AM)mega-mind Wrote:
(Sep 09, 2023, 10:17 PM)Eagle Wrote:
(Sep 09, 2023, 08:58 PM)mega-mind Wrote: That seems overly simplistic to me. China has a different history and culture but has modernized rapidly via economic engagement with the West.

True, but economically empowering a repressive regime jeopardizes the spread of human rights and democracy worldwide

Perhaps, but change can also come from within as China's middle class grows. Increased prosperity may spur reform over time.

I'm skeptical of that optimistic projection. China severely restricts internet, dissent and activism, they show no signs of liberalizing. They can't access breachforums for instance.

Their censorship model does look entrenched, unfortunately. For some reason Chinese do seem supportive of their system so far, despite restrictions.
Because they're fed relentless propaganda and blocked from truth. Dissident voices are harshly punished, it's an Orwellian pressure cooker
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(Sep 10, 2023, 09:28 PM)Eagle Wrote:
(Sep 10, 2023, 05:38 PM)mega-mind Wrote:
(Sep 10, 2023, 03:53 PM)Eagle Wrote:
(Sep 10, 2023, 07:59 AM)mega-mind Wrote:
(Sep 09, 2023, 10:17 PM)Eagle Wrote: True, but economically empowering a repressive regime jeopardizes the spread of human rights and democracy worldwide

Perhaps, but change can also come from within as China's middle class grows. Increased prosperity may spur reform over time.

I'm skeptical of that optimistic projection. China severely restricts internet, dissent and activism, they show no signs of liberalizing. They can't access breachforums for instance.

Their censorship model does look entrenched, unfortunately. For some reason Chinese do seem supportive of their system so far, despite restrictions.
Because they're fed relentless propaganda and blocked from truth. Dissident voices are harshly punished, it's an Orwellian pressure cooker
You're not wrong. The thought control and indoctrination are disturbing to Western sensibilities. But the stability and growth have increased quality of life for many.
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